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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 23, 2009 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

All this and still no love for 10/13(not 12)/68.


Sheeesh.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

For starters, I still believe 10/12/68 is a notch above 10/3, especially sound quality wise. And while both MIGHT be regarded as classics (10/12 certainly is), do you think either belongs in this top twenty list? And at the expense of which show?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

How does 7/2/71 make your list? It's an ok show, but not even a top 10 for 1971.

10/15/76 deserves consideration.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

Youre certainly entitled to your opinion, mine is:

7/2/71 is an extremely well played show, albeit somewhat out of tune. That has circulated as a pristine pre-FM SBD since probably when you were in junior high! It is firmly entrenched in many folks top tens for '71

10/15/76 is an excellent show from '76 that has circulated mainly as an average audience recording, now as a Charlie Miller soundboard with bad patches

A no brainer...

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Nov 24, 2009 12:53am
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"7/2/71 is an extremely well played show, albeit somewhat out of tune. That has circulated as a pristine pre-FM SBD since probably when you were in junior high! It is firmly entrenched in many folks top tens for '71."

A bootleg double LP hit the streets about six months after the show. It was sold at some of those independent hippie owned record stores around the SF Bay Area. I still have it somewhere around here...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2009 4:40am
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Yep; that's what I was getting at in my response above; it and Hollywood were the two big "complete" double album boots...very nice...did your 7/2 have the "red" (?) Fillmore photo with Bob front and center? Hollywood had "imbedded" artwork and orange disk labels...I still have them both, and I added the track times.

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Nov 24, 2009 5:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

Nice to know you still got your bootleg albums. I got various historical artefacts in my own personal archive. Love the Harding show and now groove to 1971-08-06. fantastic Loser.
I truly appreciate everyone's show suggestions.

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Poster: 73head Date: Nov 24, 2009 7:27am
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CANT BELIEVE any real head would omit..

11/17/73
9/28/72
10/27/79

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 24, 2009 4:34pm
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I have to agree that all three of those shows are true "classics"

I would probably rate those three among the top 25 or 30 all time cassics, particularly the legendary Stanley show...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:44pm
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Seeing a bit more of what went in to your analysis (via your comments here), I would suggest that 11/7/71 might warrant consideration (Harding)...out west, in the mid 70s, it was generally viewed ahead of 7/2 (one of my favs, double album boot release) and 8/6 (another release absolutely fav release)...because the broadcast was a bit better than 7/2, the tapes that circulated were viewed as a cut above the two albums. Of course, this is just based on the folks I happened to talk to over those years, and really that would only be East Bay, but you get the idea...not sure about back east. The Felt Forum release at least for us, and the tapes, were partials...

I still listen to 7/2 and 8/6 more, but have a real soft spot for 11/7, in part because of the great banter.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:54pm
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Guillaume, you are truly amazing!

11/7/71 was the 21st show on my list, dropped in favor of 11/14/72, at least partially because '71 seems over represented?

But I feel vindicated!

This post was modified by Cliff Hucker on 2009-11-24 02:54:39

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:00pm
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Ha! Well, that's me--good for about four yrs, and that's all there is...

Great stuff.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:04pm
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Sound quality on the Harding (11/7/71) pre-FM is just a cunt hair short of perfect, and the keyboards just a touch distorted. Still, if you wanted to include it instead of 7/2/71 or 8/6/71 I coudnt argue...

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:21pm
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11/15/71 & 10/26/71 (RT3?) are better shows than 7-2-71. I'm not sure when 11/15 became available but many of these 71 shows didn't turn up until recently so that may be why 7-2 was the better known show, but I still believe inferior compared with all the new releases/upgrades.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:32pm
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Remember, we are talking "classic" which does not necesarily mean best!

You just acknowledged that some of these shows have not circulated until relatively recently.

7/2/71 may or may not be inferior to say 11/15/71 (jamming wise it is), but thats not the point!

And dont short change 7/2/71, its a phenomenal show (100 pts) that has circuated in fantastic sound quality since the beginning of time...

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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 23, 2009 8:33pm
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This is a spot-on opinion of 7/2/71.

I couldn't put 7/11/72, 11/15/71, or 10/26/71 ahead of it for any reason (that I can think of right now).

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 9:06pm
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In retrospect, I'm wondering if the '66 Ivar show doesnt deserve to be in the top 20?

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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

I wasn't implying that it or 10/12 should be included in your list at all or that either show should replace any found on your list. It is your list after all.

I think 10/13 is grossly overlooked but I do agree that 10/12 is a step above and it would at the very least merit consideration should I find myself compiling a similar type of list to that of yours.


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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:52pm
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It might be interesting to create a list of potential substitutes for each of the shows on any of the lists posted.

You could have 10/13 in the "foot notes" as a good listen while you are enjoying a similar show from the same era.

Or perhaps one of the European 72 shows instead of Ventura 72.

This way, you could have a top 10 but still make room for other great shows :)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 6:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: In case you were wondering...DEAD related.

"All this and still no love for 10/13(not 12)/68.


Sheeesh"

I "love" both 10/12 and 10/13, and consider 10/12 to be a "classic" and a top five show of 1968!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:01pm
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A show from 1971 would go no doubt.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Nov 23, 2009 7:09pm
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You could make a valid arguement for that!

And 1969 seems under represented...

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